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Into the Gap is committed to reigniting the conversation for men as leaders and entrepreneurs, as parent-providers, and as people partnering with women in creating a better world.

Hosts Mike Shereck and Bob Pontarelli explore the connections between the personal and the universal. Through causal analysis, critical thinking and self-examination, they go into the current topics of the day in depth, fleshing out how what we do as individuals can have a much broader impact than we ever thought possible.

“Into the Gap” airs live on WCGO Saturdays from 1:00 to 2:00 p.m. Central. Catch the Facebook Live feed from WCGO’s Facebook page. Call in live at 877-711-5611! Find episodes below.

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This Saturday (November 16) Mike and Bob welcome Danny Malouf, a Republican candidate for Illinois' 14th Congressional District in the U.S. House. Malouf calls himself the Liberty Candidate. Don’t miss it, Saturday from 1:00 to 2:00 p.m. Central. (If you do miss it, the episode will be archived below!)





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Robert “Bob” Pontarelli has been participating in architecture, construction, and real estate development for over 30 years. He is passionate about service and leadership (especially in communicating what is often complex information for many people), and brings an entrepreneurial spirit to all projects. His background includes studies and practices in the arts, industrial design, real estate, and urban planning. His company, CBArts, helps people realize their dreams in three dimensions, as well as in re-positioning their real estate through community-based innovation.

Other distinctions:
Adjunct professor, Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago, IL
Dean’s Choice Award, Lewis School of Humanities
Dean’s Choice Award, School of Architecture 
Adjunct Professor, Triton College, River Grove, IL


Mike Shereck, PCC Coach, Leader, Barrier Breaker, is a thought leader and coach who uses his insight, skills, experience, training, and ability to listen to create sustainable change in today’s dynamic workplace environments. Early in Mike’s adult life, he began to pose the question, “What is leadership, and what can it provide?” It is that question that ignited the idea of TLE: Transformational Leadership Experience, Inc.

Mike has a unique background. With his vast experience and understanding from working in both manufacturing (metalworking, automotive, and machining processes) and construction (green construction, excavation, concrete, and paving), he has a thorough understanding of the processes and constraints that allow for success, and understands the potential limiting nature of organizational cultures that have developed throughout the years.

Mike is the founder of The Mike Shereck Group, LLC and the author of Berwyn Rules: Leadership Secrets of 26th Street. He was one of the inaugural speakers for the “Speaker Who Dare” project, the next evolution of TEDx Lincoln Square in New York City.

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NOVEMBER 9, 2019

Show summary coming soon

November 2, 2019

On this week's show Mike, Bob and their anonymous guest, "The Commander," take on the subjects of privilege, freedom and responsibility.

OCTOBER 26, 2019


Mike and Bob welcome Berwyn Mayor Robert Lovero into the studio to talk about “real-life, practical applications of inclusion, diversity, and cultural transformation as it relates to the city of Berwyn.” They also talk about the best places in town to get pizza. Mayor Lovero’s wife, Gail, and Berwyn stalwart Richard Leja were also on hand.

October 19, 2019

This week’s guest is Rollo Tomassi and we look at the impact of technology in our lives and consider that maybe it is not the best thing. We discussed #genderwars and male feminism and how this phenomenon may be a mating strategy. We also looked at the need for men to begin the process of self-awareness and self-discovery if we truly are committed to making the changes required to have this great experiment of ours work.

October 12, 2019

The theme this week is MISANDRY AND POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. Our guest is DePaul Professor Jason D. Hill, PhD. Professor Hill speaks about race, gender, and political correctness, and he demonstrates how clarity and responsibility are essential to success in our country, and so much more.

October 5, 2019

The theme this week is MEN OPERATING IN A GYNOCENTRIC WORLD. Guest Adam Gilad speaks about his work with men over the last 15 years. Ultimately it is a stand that men operate from a place of responsibility.

September 28, 2019

The theme this week is INTO THE GAP and how this came to be. Bob and Mike review the journey, the why, and what you can count on us to do moving forward.

September 21, 2019

The theme this week is MONEY. Guest Alan Myers speaks to the history and legality of the Federal Reserve system, and how it impacts each of us.

September 14, 2019

The theme this week is MASCULINITY. Our guest is our friend Rollo Tomassi, who addresses the issues of male feminism and patriarchy. We really look at how men have been willing to adapt to achieve desires they may have, and how this activity does not work.

September 7, 2019

The theme this week is FREEDOM. It is our remembrance of September 11, 2001. Our guest, Col. Ryan Yantis (Ret.), was in the Pentagon that day and shares with us what happened and what was going on in the days before, and how that day continues to have resonance today.

August 31, 2019

Our guest is Illinois state Senator Jim Oberweis, a candidate for the Illinois 14th Congressional District. He is running to overtake the seat currently held by uber-liberal and social Democrat Lauren Underwood.

August 24, 2019

This is the Fantasy Football Extravaganza, with in-studio guests Gary Fennessy, Tery Shereck, and Anthony Dierkx; Tom Zeleny and Darren “Shine Box” Monahan join in by phone.

August 17, 2019

Bob and Mike begin to look at what brings us together. Their in-studio guest is Linal Harris from “Inspirational Perspective.” Linal is a radio show host on WVON, a life coach, and a leader in his community. A powerful conversation.

August 10, 2019

The guys dig in and begin to look at what divides us. Their guest is the soldier of love, a cast member of the play “Hamilton,” Antuan Raimone. Amazing.

August 3, 2019

Mike and Bob’s guest this week is Rollo Tomassi, author of “The Rational Male.” It’s an amazing conversation.

July 27, 2019

The topic this time is Making Stuff Happen and the development of agency in one’s own life. This episode gets into the core of the show: personal freedom and the greatness of this country. Courage over Comfort!

July 20, 2019

Bob and Mike speak to the subject of overcoming setbacks. Their guest is Tricia Brouk, award-winning producer and founder of Speakers Who Dare. You have to hear Tricia’s definition of “safe space.”

July 13, 2019

The guys look at the power of a sense of humor. They have a special guest, Rocco Cozza, author of “The Alpha Way.” Rocco talks about attitude, mindset and, most of all, bringing kindness to everything we do.

July 6, 2019

The topic is courage and vulnerability. Mike and Bos’s guest is Peter Gateric, entrepreneur, leader, and owner of Eco Tech Pest Control, a sponsor of Into The Gap.

June 29, 2019

This episode looks into humility and forgiveness, making reference to Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book, “The Three Laws of Performance.”

June 22, 2019

Bob and Mike continue their explorations into Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book “The Three Laws of Performance.” Law #3: Future-based conversations transform how situations occur.

June 15, 2019

Bob and Mike continue their explorations into Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book “The Three Laws of Performance.” Law #2: situations occur in language.

June 8, 2019

Bob and Mike begin explorations into Steve Zafron and Dave Logan’s book “The Three Laws of Performance.” Law #1: Performance correlates to how situations occur.

June 1, 2019

This show is based in the distinction integrity. Mike and Bob are not talking about morality; this is about workability and creating workability in everything we do.

May 25, 2019

This show is about the third distinction of leadership: being at cause. This is about personal responsibility and owning your life and your circumstances one hundred percent. No victims here. Hosts Bob and Mike address the question, what does courage look like and make possible?

May 18, 2019

In this episode Bob and Mike talk about the second distinction of leadership: being given being and action by something greater. They look at what it means to have purpose.

May 11, 2019

Bob and Mike get into the first of the four core distinctions of leadership — authenticity — and what that actually looks like and why it is important.

May 4, 2019

WELCOME TO INTO THE GAP! This is where Bob and Mike let you know what is up, and why they are doing the show: to empower men and show men what it looks like to be fully responsible.